Me: I know a lot of people are worried about “this kiss” issue. What’s going on there?
MH: The kiss has been something that we’ve discussed many many, times. We’re just looking for the right way to do it. [He made it seem like they’re waiting for the right time to do it and not make it a big deal. Also the kiss is happening, just wait a little longer.]
Me: A lot of people are just frustrated with the double-standard with Kurt and Bl-
MH: Yeah, we know about the double standard, and it sucks. There’s a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that many people aren’t aware of, but we’re going to try to make everything work out.
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It depends where I’m seeing this quote how it’s being interpreted. Some are interpreting it to be a Brittana vs Klaine thing and others are saying it’s more of a straight ships vs gay ships thing.
I think that is is a Brittana vs Kline vs Straight vs gay issue.
There is too much focus being put on one issue vs another issue that people are beginning to ignore the story and the romance part of the story lines.
I believe things are written into story lines to show a representation of things that happen in real life that people can relate to. To capture all of the audience gay, straight, and bisexual issues will come up.
People just have to realize, its life!
in all fairness we’ve barely seen Kurt and Blaine kiss either.
I’ll admit that I have, in the past, been annoyed by a lack of affection from both the queer couples in Glee. But when I sat down and thought about it — while girls can be all holding hands and stuff, and be safe (esp if they don’t look too queer), boys can’t (because showing affection to another boy IS looking too queer). So while we see loads of hugs and hand holding with Brittana, we don’t see that much of it with Klaine. I thought it made sense.
And with Klaine we had the huge V-card episode where they did get more physical and kissed twice in the same episode. We’re still waiting for an actual plot for Brittana that allows that kind of scene to make sense. Because we know they’ve already had sex, but the worry on my part is that they’re simply not actually in love. Which means a big plot point is that they’re going to figure that out, or maybe the big plot point is Brittany finally falling in love with Santana. But something big has to happen.
Except now we’re being told that the lack of affection between either Brittana or both the gay couples is due to other circumstances we can’t know about and… I get worried that what I thought was a smart show is just shit.
And, no, there are other reasons I enjoy Glee besides the queer content, but let’s be honest here. The queer content is a big fucking reason I watch Glee. I actually want to throw things. I feel like shitty homophobia has turned up in a place I never expected it.
I may sulk for a while.
Glee: Home of the Triple Standard. So, where’s that scene where Santana and Brittany talk about how they feel about each other and where their relationship is going? Sort of like Blaine and Kurt in “First Times”? Or season 2. Oh … the Breadstix scene which culminated with a handhold under a napkin.
Ok, let’s try this: How about that simple scene where Santana and Brittany are chatting over coffee at The Lima Bean and run into friends? You know, like Blaine and Kurt have done. Oh … nevermind.
Simply put, it may be different for the gay boys; it’s non-existent for the girls. Reducing it down to a kiss is a straw man designed to re-direct the fandom, and it works. Beautifully. The lack of a Santana/Brittany kiss comes up and there is immediately a reflexative “But Klaine!” Which is not the point. The lack of any scenes, alone so they can really talk, actually dealing with the girls as people in a realistic romantic relationship, is.
And why is this even a topic of apparently epic portions among the writers? If you don’t give a damn about them, just break them the hell up, stay off twitter for a week and turn Santana into the sassy asexual friend all the straight girls go to with their boyfriend woes. Simple as that.
“Except now we’re being told that the lack of affection between either Brittana or both the gay couples is due to other circumstances we can’t know about and… I get worried that what I thought was a smart show is just shit.”
The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Things that have external forces behind them can still be enfolded into the plot and characterization in ways that make sense and are smart–ways that even reflect the politics of what is going on behind the scenes. Decent TV shows have to be able to navigate that, and Glee has in the past–Puck going to juvie because of issues with Salling, everything going on with Sam and Chord, etc. Among others.
I’m not saying that’s the case here—I’m really annoyed by all the discussion this is getting because literally all we know is that we don’t know enough to be able to call anything either way–but I just wanted to point out that the dichotomy isn’t needed.
//Except now we’re being told that the lack of affection between either Brittana or both the gay couples is due to other circumstances we can’t know about and… I get worried that what I thought was a smart show is just shit.//
Not necessarily shit, just…a show on network television, on a 8:00 timeslot. Obviously the writers are implicated in this as well, but a tv show is never purely the product of its writers. There’s also a studio and a network, and all of them have a say in what makes it onto the show.
We may not know the exact nature of the notes they’re getting, but I’d imagine it reflects something like this:
It sucks, but it’s the nature of TV. And I don’t mean this to say that we shouldn’t be angry or we shouldn’t protest against it, but rather to point out that we *should*, because the status quo doesn’t change itself. The reason Kurt/Blaine have gotten onscreen kisses and very special episodes is because the fans made it clear that they wanted to see it, and that their numbers could make up for whatever losses Fox would sustain in audiences or sponsors.
When I saw the words “behind the scenes,” I immediately thought, “He’s trying to imply that Heather Morris and/or Naya Rivera don’t want to do the kiss.” If I’m right, that is SUCH a cop-out. They’re actors, and I highly doubt they’ve been attracted to every person they’ve had to kiss on Glee alone.
See also: the “HOW did you manage the KISSING?” interviews that pop up each time a major gay movie comes out. I’m so sick of the assumption a) of straightness, and b) that a same-sex kiss is a giant trial.
I’ve always been of the opinion that the obvious lack of equality between gay couples and straight couples on the show in terms of depiction probably has a lot more to do with the incredibly conservative network the writers work for than it has to do with the writers themselves. I mean, they had to put a special warning at the beginning of an episode just because it was STATED–not shown–that a gay couple was going to have sex. The writers themselves probably don’t make those kinds of decisions. So…I’m going to guess Hitchcock was talking about gay couples versus straight couples and referring to all the bargaining and convincing RIB and Co. probably have to do with the network in order to get ANY romantic interaction for the gay couples on the show at all.
The question was about the lack of a kiss between Brittany and Santana, and the resulting double standard between the way the Kurt/Blaine relationship has been handled versus the Santana/Brittany one. Tossing the networks in here is another straw man.
I actually don’t think it has to do with the actresses; if you watch the scenes where they do kiss although there are only two, they both seem into it and comfortable with it. They both seem really happy so I don’t think its them and they have always seemed supportive in interviews of the relationship.